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The Students Over Systems podcast features conversations that celebrate education freedom and brighter futures.

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Louisiana Superintendent Cade Brumley: Laser Focused on Academic Achievement

Ginny Gentles & Dr. Cade Brumley | Students Over Systems

Kelley Williams-Bolar: Jailed for Enrolling Her Children in a Nearby Public School

Ginny Gentles & Kelley Williams-Bolar | Students Over Systems

Jamie Gass: Restoring U.S. History & Civics in America’s Schools

Ginny Gentles & Jamie Gass | Students Over Systems

Tim DeRoche: No More Lines

Ginny Gentles & Tim DeRoche | Students Over Systems

Shelby Doyle: Successfully Navigating Education Options

Ginny Gentles & Shelby Doyle | Students Over Systems

Rick Hess and Mike McShane: Education is a Handshake 

Ginny Gentles, Rick Hess & Mike McShane | Students Over Systems

Whitney Marsh: Unlocking the Extraordinary Potential of Every Kid

Ginny Gentles & Whitney Marsh | Students Over Systems

Chris and Christine Stigall: Making the Leap from the Status Quo

Ginny Gentles & Chris and Christine Stigall | Students Over Systems

Corey DeAngelis: Funding Students and Exposing Radical Teachers Unions

Ginny Gentles & Corey DeAngelis | Students Over Systems

Former Arizona Governor Doug Ducey: Creating and Protecting Universal Education Freedom

Ginny Gentles & Former Governor Doug Ducey | Students Over Systems

Tera Myers: Mom on a Mission

Ginny Gentles & Tera Myers | Students Over Systems

Nicole Solas: The Education Freedom Center’s 2023 Naughty and Nice List

Ginny Gentles & Nicole Solas | Students Over Systems

About Students Over Systems Podcast

Host Ginny Gentles, director of the Education Freedom Center at Independent Women’s Forum, is joined by the parents and policymakers who empower families with leverage and options.

Listen to Students Over Systems anywhere you get your podcasts, and follow the work of the Education Freedom Center at iwf.org/efc


Corey A. DeAngelis, Ph.D. | American Federation for Children

"The name says it all. Education funding is meant for educating children, not for protecting a particular institution. It's time to fund students, not systems. School choice is the only way to truly secure parental rights in education."

– Corey A. DeAngelis, Ph.D. | American Federation for Children
Virginia Walden Ford

"With this podcast the voices of parents and supporters will continue to make a difference for all children."

– Virginia Walden Ford
Erika Donalds | OptimaEd

"Education innovations beyond what we can imagine will come to fruition when every parent in America can vote with their feet. I'm thrilled to see IWF launch the new Students Over Systems podcast to help further our mission to bring school choice to every family."

– Erika Donalds | OptimaEd
Jay Greene | The Heritage Foundation

"The launch of the Students Over Systems Podcast will be a great addition to the school choice movement. Ginny Gentles is an extremely effective interviewer, getting to the heart of issues in an accessible and level-headed way."

– Jay Greene | The Heritage Foundation
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Sen. Tim Scott: Education Is The Closest Thing To Magic

Senator Tim Scott joins Students Over Systems to discuss how education can unlock a person’s potential and future. Senator Scott shares his belief that parents should be given access to a range of educational options, so their children have a better chance at succeeding in life. We also discuss his advocacy for federal education freedom options, including the Charter School Program and the portability of federal funds.

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